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. >>> the clock is ticking toward the showdown on the fiscal cliff. one of the big questions is, what will happen next? shawn tully is here, editor at large for "fortune" magazine, he joins us from new york right now. you have followed most of the major economic stories for more than 20 years now. i'm not trying to make you seem old. sometimes i do, when i say how long i've been doing this. is this the first time you've seen something go this close to the wire? >> i think so, don. and what's really troubling about the debate is really missed by a lot of commentators, this is really a spending issue. we understand that even if taxes go up on individuals making over 200,000 and families making over 250, it only plugs about 8% of the deficit problem over the next ten years. we have a $1.3 trillion deficit for 2012. it will be about a trillion for 2013. we're borrowing 35 cents on the dollar. the enormous problem is interest rates are way below normal, so when they spike, which they inevitably will, and the government is borrowing very short term to keep
. >>> the clock is ticking toward the showdown on the fiscal cliff. one of the big questions is, what will happen next? shawn tully is here, editor at large for "fortune" magazine, he joins us from new york right now. you have followed most of the major economic stories for more than 20 years now. i'm not trying to make you seem old. sometimes i do, when i say how long i've been doing this. is this the first time you've seen something go this close to the wire? >> i...
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gerri: president obama calling on congress to act to avoid the fiscal cliff. the president said he is optimistic. modestly optimistic, that is, that a deal can be done. here is the president. >> i still want to get thi done. it's the right thing to do for our families and our businesses and for our entire economy. but for iediate action comedy hour is here. it is now. we are now at the point where in just four days, every american's tax rates are scheduled to go up by law. every american paycheck will get considerably smaller. that would be the wrong thing to do. gerri: no kidding. we have been telling you that for weeks. democrats and republicans alike should rename their parties the procrastination party. that is because like a lot of college freshman, they left their work until the last minute. including the 800 billion-dollar fiscal cliff that we have been talking about. a hundred billion dollars it hasn't happened yt. it's not like the deadline comes as a surprise to anybody at all, the least of all congress. they were the ones who extended the bush tax c
gerri: president obama calling on congress to act to avoid the fiscal cliff. the president said he is optimistic. modestly optimistic, that is, that a deal can be done. here is the president. >> i still want to get thi done. it's the right thing to do for our families and our businesses and for our entire economy. but for iediate action comedy hour is here. it is now. we are now at the point where in just four days, every american's tax rates are scheduled to go up by law. every american...
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. >> alison, i have no idea whether we'll get a fiscal cliff deal done or not. i do have a pretty good idea as to how we got into this gigantic pickle in the first place. >> now we've passed a bold package of tax relief for america's families and businesses. >> it starts when then president george w. bush initiated a series of tax cuts for all americans, but it's a deal with the devil. the cuts, which are politically expedient, but costly to government expire in ten years time. >> both houses of congress have now passed a package of tax relief that will protect the middle class. >> when it came time for the cuts to expire, the u.s. is just emerging from the worst recession since the great depression. so president obama agreed to extend the tax cuts for two more years in exchange for congress extending federal emergency unemployment benefits. those cuts are expensive. if they're extended by 2020, the bush-era tax cuts will be responsible for more than half the total national debt. democrats insist that taxes go up for the wealthy but stay in place permanently for
. >> alison, i have no idea whether we'll get a fiscal cliff deal done or not. i do have a pretty good idea as to how we got into this gigantic pickle in the first place. >> now we've passed a bold package of tax relief for america's families and businesses. >> it starts when then president george w. bush initiated a series of tax cuts for all americans, but it's a deal with the devil. the cuts, which are politically expedient, but costly to government expire in ten years...
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gold prices pulled back today on worries about the fiscal cliff, will the metal shine in 2013? then cuba, tonight's "market monitor" sees big opportunity on the tiny island when the embargo's lifted. thomas herzfeld, of thomas herzfled advisors joins us. that and more tonight on "n.b.r."! president obama says he's "modestly optimistic" a fiscal deal can be reached in time. he said he's instructed senator harry reid and senator mitch mcconnell to come up with a plan that can pass in congress. his brief comments a short while ago came after a white house meeting today with congressional leaders that ended with no deal. ahead of that, investors lost hope lawmakers can come together in the time remaining. in the last few minutes of trading, stocks sold off. the dow tumbled 158 points, the nasdaq lost 25, and the s&p fell over 15 points. here's darren gersh with more on the critical work that has to get done in washington this weekend. >> port: thpresident declared himself modestly optimistic congress could still reach an agreement to head off huge tax hikes on january first, but he
gold prices pulled back today on worries about the fiscal cliff, will the metal shine in 2013? then cuba, tonight's "market monitor" sees big opportunity on the tiny island when the embargo's lifted. thomas herzfeld, of thomas herzfled advisors joins us. that and more tonight on "n.b.r."! president obama says he's "modestly optimistic" a fiscal deal can be reached in time. he said he's instructed senator harry reid and senator mitch mcconnell to come up with a plan...
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gold prices pulled back today on worries about the fiscal cliff, will the metal shine in 2013? then cuba, tonight's "market monitor" sees big opportunity on the tiny island when the embargo's lifted. thomas herzfeld, of thomas herzfled advisors joins us. that and more tonight on "n.b.r."! president obama says he's "modestly optimistic" a fiscal deal can be reached in time. he said he's instructed senator harry reid and senator mitch mcconnell to come up with a plan that can pass in congress. his brief comments a short while ago came after a white house meeting today with congressional leaders that ended with no deal. ahead of that, investors lost hope lawmakers can come together in the time remaining. in the last few minutes of trading, stocks sold off. the dow tumbled 158 points, the nasdaq lost 25, and the s&p fell over 15 points. here's darren gersh with more on the critical work that has to get done in washington this weekend. >> reporter: the president declared himself modestly optimistic congress could still reach an agreement to head off huge tax hikes on january first b
gold prices pulled back today on worries about the fiscal cliff, will the metal shine in 2013? then cuba, tonight's "market monitor" sees big opportunity on the tiny island when the embargo's lifted. thomas herzfeld, of thomas herzfled advisors joins us. that and more tonight on "n.b.r."! president obama says he's "modestly optimistic" a fiscal deal can be reached in time. he said he's instructed senator harry reid and senator mitch mcconnell to come up with a plan...
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yes i'm talking about the fiscal cliff. hello, good to be with you. we are just two days now remaining that is, until the countdown clock and the pressure is mounting on lawmakers to get a deal done. both houses of congress are back in session this sunday ready to vote on a plan that senate leaders are trying to hammer out right now. if a deal isn't reached, your taxes will go up and government spending will be slashed. dana bash and jessica yellin are covering all angles of the story. let's start with dana on capitol hill who has heard word of a setback in the talks. dana, what do you know? >> setback from the perspective of democrats. we should underscore that. this is any information that is coming out. is coming out for a purpose. this is certainly significant. when it comes to the democrats' perspective. and that is, they are very unhappy and they call a quote poison pill. what they say is an offer from the republicans to include in this deal, which has been from the democrats perspective, mostly focused on taxes to include in it, a change in a t
yes i'm talking about the fiscal cliff. hello, good to be with you. we are just two days now remaining that is, until the countdown clock and the pressure is mounting on lawmakers to get a deal done. both houses of congress are back in session this sunday ready to vote on a plan that senate leaders are trying to hammer out right now. if a deal isn't reached, your taxes will go up and government spending will be slashed. dana bash and jessica yellin are covering all angles of the story. let's...
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cliff deal done if it does in fact get done. and what i mean by that is this -- it was done in the senate, and then it just went over to the house where house republicans were not interested in voting on it, a one-year extension of this at all, but they were sort of forced to do it because of the way the senate acted. it's not unlike what we'll probably see if the senate votes tonight and the house votes tomorrow. republicans in the senate and house are not going to be happy about it, but it's going to be, as they say here, they're going to get stuck with this bill and they're not going to have any other choice but to bring it up and probably pass it. >> can we assume, dana, that the senators, maybe even the vice president, will emerge from the meeting that is under way right now and come to the microphones that are near you? >> i would love to say yes, but we're getting some signals from democratic leadership sources that harry reid will probably not come and talk to us. however, i have seen this movie before. we're told that h
cliff deal done if it does in fact get done. and what i mean by that is this -- it was done in the senate, and then it just went over to the house where house republicans were not interested in voting on it, a one-year extension of this at all, but they were sort of forced to do it because of the way the senate acted. it's not unlike what we'll probably see if the senate votes tonight and the house votes tomorrow. republicans in the senate and house are not going to be happy about it, but it's...
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. >>> if bridging the partisan divide wasn't challenge enough, get ready because the fiscal cliff is far from a done deal. vice president joe biden and mitch mcconnell brokered a deal and, yes, it cleared the senate late last night. but no, the republican-controlled house of representatives hasn't voted on this yet. they are going to convene in about 30 minutes. house democratic caucus is meeting in less than an hour while the house gop leaders are meeting at 1:00 p.m. eastern time. both parties undoubtedly laying the groundwork for the fiscal cliff showdown that will unfold between its 435 house members. one of those members is democratic congressman from michigan. he's kind enough to join me. thank you for being with us today. first of all, if you could get me up to speed on the decision to make a decision v you heard anything about the possibility there might be a vote today with your members? >> i haven't heard directly. i think there will be. i think the vote last night in the senate set the stage. it was overwhelming. we're going to have a caucus democrats and republicans will
. >>> if bridging the partisan divide wasn't challenge enough, get ready because the fiscal cliff is far from a done deal. vice president joe biden and mitch mcconnell brokered a deal and, yes, it cleared the senate late last night. but no, the republican-controlled house of representatives hasn't voted on this yet. they are going to convene in about 30 minutes. house democratic caucus is meeting in less than an hour while the house gop leaders are meeting at 1:00 p.m. eastern time....
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today's only job is to come up with a deal that ainvestigators going over the fiscal cliff and anything other than that is absolute irresponsibility you congressional malpractice. >> any deal? in other words, say some sort of temporary fix or have to be that long-term overhaul? >> i don't think -- at this point, beggers can't be choosers. i don't think we are going to get a grand bargain. i don't think we are going to get a big deal with long-term stuff a lot of people object to that, they will call that kicking the can down the road, you know what martin, they are absolutely right. once again, we will kick the can down the road, but that's what happens, when you back yourself into a corner, we did this with the debt ceiling, we did this with the government shutdown, the way we do business now, we should get used to it, that's how things are done t is the 11th hour we need an 11th hour deal. 11th hour deals are never particularly good. everybody is going to give something up. i just hope they all prepare to give something up and get a deal. it is not going to be pretty. i will be here t
today's only job is to come up with a deal that ainvestigators going over the fiscal cliff and anything other than that is absolute irresponsibility you congressional malpractice. >> any deal? in other words, say some sort of temporary fix or have to be that long-term overhaul? >> i don't think -- at this point, beggers can't be choosers. i don't think we are going to get a grand bargain. i don't think we are going to get a big deal with long-term stuff a lot of people object to...
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cliff stuff done. speaker boehner took issue, won't surprise you either, with the president's appearance, in particular the president saying wait i have offered $1 trillion worth of cuts, i offered two to one spending cuts and here's what boehner had to say -- the president's comments are ironic as a recurring theme of our negotiations was his unwillingness to agree to anything that would require him to stand up to his own party. needed cuts and reforms that the president agreed to last year were no longer on the table as he cited an inability it to sell them to democrats. somebody is inflexible here. >> he accuses the president of the failure of leadership and in these days when somebody in washington uses the word leadership what they are meaning is caving in and bringing you own party along. i think the president was very clear in this interview that his strategy all along he is not going to be drawn into these negotiations because the white house thinks that one of the biggest mistakes of his presi
cliff stuff done. speaker boehner took issue, won't surprise you either, with the president's appearance, in particular the president saying wait i have offered $1 trillion worth of cuts, i offered two to one spending cuts and here's what boehner had to say -- the president's comments are ironic as a recurring theme of our negotiations was his unwillingness to agree to anything that would require him to stand up to his own party. needed cuts and reforms that the president agreed to last year...
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does it appear that work is done or of course talking about fiscal cliff and done to three, four, five, sometimes two men talking in a room. so are you busy, working or still thinking you shouldn't be there maybe right now? >> we are not doing anything. we have to be here because if there is an agreement then we have the responsibility to vote on it but as far as what we're doing, this is the real exciting part of my day right now talking to you. >> sir, that's remarkable and i know you're joking and grinning but to american people waiting and wondering about their paycheck for the next day, two, week, month and to hear a member of congress to say we're here and doing nothing, that's hard to register. >> i agree with them. this is an indictment of congress that we have come to this state and where the function that most members of congress have is to simply be on hand so that in the event the negotiators reach agreement we can ratify or reject it but the fact to december 31st, new year's day and all of us should be with our families and america have some confidence that congress does h
does it appear that work is done or of course talking about fiscal cliff and done to three, four, five, sometimes two men talking in a room. so are you busy, working or still thinking you shouldn't be there maybe right now? >> we are not doing anything. we have to be here because if there is an agreement then we have the responsibility to vote on it but as far as what we're doing, this is the real exciting part of my day right now talking to you. >> sir, that's remarkable and i know...
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they don't want to see the fiscal cliff happen. they want to see the tax cuts for middle class people maintained and they want to see all the other things i suggested. these are relatively simple things. we don't have to get into the complexities of major spending cuts, entitlements. we can just do these things the president suggestened and put oursds in a position to tackle these more broad fiscal issues next year. >> valerie, i promise i'm going to get you in. are you a democrat? not valerie, john. >> well, we're a nonpartisan organization. >> because you're saying these things the president wants to get in. is this ideological for you because i'm reading between the lines of what you're saying. you're saying it appears this is being held up and it appears you're saying the republicans are holding it up. >> well, the president has put forth some pragmatic temporary solutions to get us to the point where we continue go over the fiscal cliff, and he said he's willing to sit down and talk with republicans about a broader deal next y
they don't want to see the fiscal cliff happen. they want to see the tax cuts for middle class people maintained and they want to see all the other things i suggested. these are relatively simple things. we don't have to get into the complexities of major spending cuts, entitlements. we can just do these things the president suggestened and put oursds in a position to tackle these more broad fiscal issues next year. >> valerie, i promise i'm going to get you in. are you a democrat? not...
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cliff deal not done at all. stay with cnn all day for the developing news on the fiscal cliff, we have a big house vote perhaps as this bill gets to the floor. as we say good-bye to 2012 thank you to all the people behind the scenes who make "starting point" possible. happy new year, everyone. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ should all acquaintance be forgot
cliff deal not done at all. stay with cnn all day for the developing news on the fiscal cliff, we have a big house vote perhaps as this bill gets to the floor. as we say good-bye to 2012 thank you to all the people behind the scenes who make "starting point" possible. happy new year, everyone. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ should all acquaintance be forgot
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on the fiscal cliff? from washington to all around the country americans are fed up. >> this whole thing is a national embarrassment, an embarrassment to the president, an embarrassment to both sides of the aisle and both the house and the senate. >> the election is over. you got your seats. you're re-elected. congratulations. you have a job. now work and do it. >> fiscally irresponsible decision trying to please everyone and you please no one at all. >> they've got to work together. >> they appear to be very self-centered. >> joining me now retired admiral and former democratic congressman joe sestak of pennsylvania and msnbc contributor and former bush/cheney senior adviser robert trainum. kelly o'donnell has just reported some of the latest information. we heard there was progress overnight and we understand vice president biden and republican leader mitch mcconnell exchanged phone calls until about midnight and their aides then continued to work and we've been reporting the various areas of progress i
on the fiscal cliff? from washington to all around the country americans are fed up. >> this whole thing is a national embarrassment, an embarrassment to the president, an embarrassment to both sides of the aisle and both the house and the senate. >> the election is over. you got your seats. you're re-elected. congratulations. you have a job. now work and do it. >> fiscally irresponsible decision trying to please everyone and you please no one at all. >> they've got to...
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cliff, it would be tough for the markets. marks are telling us they think there's been a momentary judgment call, they've done the right thing and the markets think something's going to get done here. so a solution is priced into the market here. if you don't get a solution, it's going to be a problem. maybe not the first day but certainly a problem. i've talked to congressmen, you have, too, they have 2008 and t.a.r.p. fresh in their memory. remember when they didn't pass the bank bailout? >> sure. >> wall street said, that's not going to work and the stock market went down 700 points. they have that fresh in their memory. they don't want -- they don't want to do anything like that. so they're being very careful here, i think. >> christine, tell us about some of the things that were, at least on the senate side, tax goodies, things saved, some of the things that we didn't lose because of the agreement on the senate side. >> it's interesting, when you look at, for example, write-off for teachers for supplies they get for the
cliff, it would be tough for the markets. marks are telling us they think there's been a momentary judgment call, they've done the right thing and the markets think something's going to get done here. so a solution is priced into the market here. if you don't get a solution, it's going to be a problem. maybe not the first day but certainly a problem. i've talked to congressmen, you have, too, they have 2008 and t.a.r.p. fresh in their memory. remember when they didn't pass the bank bailout?...
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tonight's question, in light of the president's remarks, will a fiscal cliff deal get done? text "a" for yes, text "b" for no to 622639 or go to our blog at ed.msnbc.com. i'll bring you the results later in the show. joining me now is sheldon whitehouse from rhode island. thank you for joining us. >> thank you for having me. >> sir, this is serious, this is even dire. are you encouraged by the meeting today and the president's remarks in the aftermath of that meeting? >> well, i think that the decision to move the forum for the negotiations to the senate was a necessary one. i have a lot of confidence in harry reid's negotiating ability. mitch mcconnell is a veteran negotiator, and i think there's a far better prospect of something being worked out in the senate than there was dealing with speaker boehner and his completely dysfunctional house republican party. >> sure. well, abiding by convention and of course protocol, the senate won't return until sunday. will there be enough time for the senate leaders to really craft a deal that is substantiative and makes a difference,
tonight's question, in light of the president's remarks, will a fiscal cliff deal get done? text "a" for yes, text "b" for no to 622639 or go to our blog at ed.msnbc.com. i'll bring you the results later in the show. joining me now is sheldon whitehouse from rhode island. thank you for joining us. >> thank you for having me. >> sir, this is serious, this is even dire. are you encouraged by the meeting today and the president's remarks in the aftermath of that...
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they don't deal with a fiscal cliff. tape freeze, and property. a bunch of votes that don't deal with the big issue we're talking about. bottom line, does this go through tonight? >> i don't think so. because they, they are going to have 36 hours. they have until 11:59 on thursday. they like the last minute. if they got this far over the cliff they'll keep going a whiling longer. we should say here the democrats don't love the bill. the house democrats all sign on to this. so if the democrats lose some and republicans are scrounging for their 40 to 50 -- >> bret: that is the key question today. the house minority whip, steny hoyer would not answer the question how will votes will you bring to the table? how will democrats will you bring to the table if it's an up-or-down vote? that is a big question, too. >> if the president is behind it and the democratic controlled senate is behind it, i can't -- maybe a few left wing democrats, but you have the minority leader in the house supporting it. leadership supporting it strongly. i can't see the democr
they don't deal with a fiscal cliff. tape freeze, and property. a bunch of votes that don't deal with the big issue we're talking about. bottom line, does this go through tonight? >> i don't think so. because they, they are going to have 36 hours. they have until 11:59 on thursday. they like the last minute. if they got this far over the cliff they'll keep going a whiling longer. we should say here the democrats don't love the bill. the house democrats all sign on to this. so if the...
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will a last-minute fiscal cliff deal get done? and if it does what will it look like. >>> we have a deal. we may still get hit with an automatic tax hike. how much will that cost you? in time for the new year, a new snowstorm headed to the northeast. we'll let you know how bad this will get. and the yore in review, up with of the most unique and appalling takes on the year in review. good morning to you all. welcome to weekends with alex witt. no alex today. taking a much deserved weekend off. i'm t.j. holmes, good to be with you. new this morning, president obama outlining his course of action if we all go off the cliff. >> if an agreement isn't reached on time, then i'll urge the senate to hold an up-or-down vote on a basic package that protects the middle class from an income tax hike, extends vital unemployment insurance for americans looking for a job and lays the ground work for more economic growth and deficit reduction. >> the president is optimistic that a deal can be reached midnight on new year's eve. listen to senate m
will a last-minute fiscal cliff deal get done? and if it does what will it look like. >>> we have a deal. we may still get hit with an automatic tax hike. how much will that cost you? in time for the new year, a new snowstorm headed to the northeast. we'll let you know how bad this will get. and the yore in review, up with of the most unique and appalling takes on the year in review. good morning to you all. welcome to weekends with alex witt. no alex today. taking a much deserved...
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. >>> some washington lawmakers sound gloomy about the chances for a compromise deal on the fiscal cliff. >> nine days to get a deal done. house speaker boehner is in ohio. president obama in hawaii. >>> today we say aloha to an american hero, the late senator daniel inouye was remembered with full military honors in hawaii. the 88-year-old senator lost his arm in world war ii, he represented hawaii in washington for more than 50 years. president obama and the first lady attended today's service. the president has said inouye was his earliest political inspiration. >>> many gun shop owners say sales have been booming. thousands of north texans visited local gun shows and stores this weekend where the most powerful weapons are costing more than ever. a gun dealer told our affiliate that an assault style weapon ran around $900. this week anywhere from 1500 to $2500 many in just a few minutes my conversation with a gun shop owner, several former police officers and a school safety expert who says the current call for bringing guns into schools for safety is in his words, borderline insane.
. >>> some washington lawmakers sound gloomy about the chances for a compromise deal on the fiscal cliff. >> nine days to get a deal done. house speaker boehner is in ohio. president obama in hawaii. >>> today we say aloha to an american hero, the late senator daniel inouye was remembered with full military honors in hawaii. the 88-year-old senator lost his arm in world war ii, he represented hawaii in washington for more than 50 years. president obama and the first lady...
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>> i think there's a chance he will br just right enough to get something done on the fiscal cliff. we saw the president this harch meet with the bipartisan leadership in congress. remember the republicans because of the intransigence we talked about their caucus sought the speaker es plan for a plan b. that weakened the republican negotiating position . and now the president has maximum leverage because the tax cuts are due to expire by the end of the year. mitch mcconnell said he was hopeful and optimistic that they could get a deal that they could pass. the reason that that could happen if mitch mcconnell lets it happen, john boehner may feel no option but to put that on the floor for pass adge whether or not most republicans are for it. that would be the realization of that -- >> wouldn't that violate the principle that would have govern the policy that nothing wowlingd pass unless the yort of the majority support it. >> it would violate the principle. some democrats think that mitch mcconnell is ready to force john boehner's hand. we know the republicans are going to lose the f
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in time to avoid the fiscal cliff, and that's what our focus issen ob this morning. for his part, president obama says he's modestly optimistic they can work things out. even if a deal is thrown together, senator harry reid says what they come up with could be imperfect and some people aren't going to like it. bringen in independent new york stock exchange trader joining us from new york. good to see you. >> good to see you, alison. thanks for having me. >> as you said, washington has been kicking the can down the road. so what are the chances of a real deal going through at the very last minute? things sound a little more optimistic last night, if you listened to president obama. >> i think they have to sound optimistic. the last thing they want to do is not sound optimistic. here's the problem. we've come right to the 11th hour. the fact there's going to be a substantive deal that comes out in the 11th hour is probably nailed to zero. in my sense, it's easier to go over the cliff. then there's clarity, right? taxes up, spending cut. the market will know what is goi
in time to avoid the fiscal cliff, and that's what our focus issen ob this morning. for his part, president obama says he's modestly optimistic they can work things out. even if a deal is thrown together, senator harry reid says what they come up with could be imperfect and some people aren't going to like it. bringen in independent new york stock exchange trader joining us from new york. good to see you. >> good to see you, alison. thanks for having me. >> as you said, washington...
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but first, the latest developments on the fiscal cliff. gary nurenberg joins me with the latest as we actually just heard from president obama. >> after a long meeting the president came out to say he is still optimistic that a deal can be done reminding the country that we are only now three days away from the point where everyone's taxes go up and huge spending cuts kick in, saying that would be wrong for the economy and wrong for the country. the president said he is urging the senate leaders, reid and mcconnell to come back to him with a plan by sunday. he says if they're unable to do that, then he is demanding that his backup proposal from last week allowing tax rates to rise for those making $250,000 and extending unemployment we was for 2 million jobless americans whose benefits will run out on january 1st, he wants that proposal to go to the house and the senate, the senate first, and demands an up or down vote. >> if you can get a majority in the house and a majority in the senate, then we should be able to pass a bill. so the ame
but first, the latest developments on the fiscal cliff. gary nurenberg joins me with the latest as we actually just heard from president obama. >> after a long meeting the president came out to say he is still optimistic that a deal can be done reminding the country that we are only now three days away from the point where everyone's taxes go up and huge spending cuts kick in, saying that would be wrong for the economy and wrong for the country. the president said he is urging the senate...
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if this fiscal cliff thing is done, i'm going to sleep. however, if it isn't dealt with, your taxes are going to go up. your grocery bill might go up too. the deal that could affect milk prices, next. and a new year's message from washington from one of our viewers. >> my new year's message to washington is this. there are not wealthy enough and corporations to keep you in office. in this light, grow up, govern, and most importantly. support middle class policies. am i on this one? no, no, no, no, no. i am on this one. [ male announcer ] for every 2 pounds you lose through diet and exercise alli can help you lose one more by blocking some of the fat you eat. simple. effective. belt-friendly. let's fight fat with alli. learn more, lose more at letsfightfat.com. learn more, lose more are you flo? yes. is this the thing you gave my husband? well, yeah, yes. the "name your price" tool. you tell us the price you want to pay, and we give you a range of options to choose from. careful, though -- that kind of power can go to your head. that explai
if this fiscal cliff thing is done, i'm going to sleep. however, if it isn't dealt with, your taxes are going to go up. your grocery bill might go up too. the deal that could affect milk prices, next. and a new year's message from washington from one of our viewers. >> my new year's message to washington is this. there are not wealthy enough and corporations to keep you in office. in this light, grow up, govern, and most importantly. support middle class policies. am i on this one? no,...
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. >>> in washington right now a potential agreement to keep us from falling off the fiscal cliff. jessica yellen at the white house with some details. what are you learning? >> reporter: hi, suzanne. first of all, there is an emerging deal here, but it is still not done. it is in progress. there's a sense of sort of optimism that this will come to closu closure. what we know about this deal right now is that it would allow for earners at the very top to let their tax rates go back to clinton levels. so that is what was set to happen in the new year anyway. it only hits the very top earners. then the next level of the deal, households that earn $450,000 are the ones impacted by this. individuals who earn $400,000 a year are the ones who would see it go to clinton levels. the deal -- the emerging deal would also include as i understand an extension of unemployment benefits and a compromise on the estate tax that would allow a slight increase or something of an increase from where we are now but not an absolute jump to where it would be beginning tomorrow. now, if there were no deal.
. >>> in washington right now a potential agreement to keep us from falling off the fiscal cliff. jessica yellen at the white house with some details. what are you learning? >> reporter: hi, suzanne. first of all, there is an emerging deal here, but it is still not done. it is in progress. there's a sense of sort of optimism that this will come to closu closure. what we know about this deal right now is that it would allow for earners at the very top to let their tax rates go...
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lawmakers have been so consumed by the fiscal cliff that it appears little was done to extend the 2010 payroll tax cuts, put in place by president obama two years ago in order to boost the economy. so what does it mean to your wallet? here is how much less you'll bring home if it expires. paychecks shrink $50 a month for those earning $30,000 a year. it shrinks $83 a month for those earning $50,000 a year. and $167 a month for those earning $100,000 a year. now, let's switch to the fiscal cliff. and what that is going to cost you. without a deal, you'll be paying lots more in tachxes. say you're single and working hard, you don't have kids, you earn $80,000 a year. if it does not go into effect, you'll pay an additional $3,000 more than what you already pay in taxes. the middle class families will get hit harder, two kids, both parents work. together you earn $80,000 a year. guess what, if there is no deal, you would owe $6,000 more in taxes next year. with so many variables, the question is how is wall street reacting? the stock market dipped every day last week. question is, what is
lawmakers have been so consumed by the fiscal cliff that it appears little was done to extend the 2010 payroll tax cuts, put in place by president obama two years ago in order to boost the economy. so what does it mean to your wallet? here is how much less you'll bring home if it expires. paychecks shrink $50 a month for those earning $30,000 a year. it shrinks $83 a month for those earning $50,000 a year. and $167 a month for those earning $100,000 a year. now, let's switch to the fiscal...
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senator john mccain told me just a little while ago even if a fiscal cliff deal is done, the battle between the white house and congressional republicans is far from over. >> i think there's going to be a whole new field of battle when the debt ceiling rolls around. >> all right. let's dig a little bit deeper with ryan lizza. he's washington correspondent for the new yorker magazine. also ali velshi our chief correspondent is joining us. deal or no deal? >> looks like from what dana is reporting, that a deal is in sight. republicans are saying they're going to have a vote tonight. looks like a deal is done. >> with the senate. >> we don't know what the house will do. and the last time john boehner tried to put something on the floor, his caucus rebelled. he'd have to let the house vote its will. >> but you agree if the president of the united states supports it, most of the house democrats will support it. so you don't need a majority of the republicans, you need a few republicans to get to that magic number of 218. >> exactly. obama and pelosi seem to have a firm grasp on the house democra
senator john mccain told me just a little while ago even if a fiscal cliff deal is done, the battle between the white house and congressional republicans is far from over. >> i think there's going to be a whole new field of battle when the debt ceiling rolls around. >> all right. let's dig a little bit deeper with ryan lizza. he's washington correspondent for the new yorker magazine. also ali velshi our chief correspondent is joining us. deal or no deal? >> looks like from...
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the new year's resolution is not to go for the fiscal cliff. lori: i will just keep saying and be done. tracy: president obama and the senate back in office, senator harry reid is the latest to say it looks like we are headed to tumble over the cliff. let's check with rich edson with the latest. >> tracy will have to come up with a new term. we will be saying this afternoon years. democrats and republicans deck at each other saying it is your turn to make a move, up to you to move next, no movement on capitol hill, and there was speculation the white house would send a proposal to capitol hill and that has been denied by an aide to the senate majority leader, harry reid taking to the senate floor saying he thinks it looks like we are headed over the fiscal cliff and he hang that on the house. >> if we go over the cliff and it looks like that is where we are headed the house of representatives, with four days left after the first of the year, are not here with the speaker having told them give them 48 hours notice. i can imagine their conscience
the new year's resolution is not to go for the fiscal cliff. lori: i will just keep saying and be done. tracy: president obama and the senate back in office, senator harry reid is the latest to say it looks like we are headed to tumble over the cliff. let's check with rich edson with the latest. >> tracy will have to come up with a new term. we will be saying this afternoon years. democrats and republicans deck at each other saying it is your turn to make a move, up to you to move next,...
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cliff showdown. just four days left to get this deal done or massive tax hikes and spending cuts will kick in. >>> the u.s. embassy clearing out of an african nation this morning. deteriorating security in the central african republic has forced the u.s. state department to temporarily suspend operations. there the u.s. ambassador, his diplomatic team and some private american citizens are out of the capital. the country's president has asked france and the united states for help to stop rebels that threaten rule. >>> it's not clear who will replace lisa jackson as the head of the environmental protection agency. jackson announced yesterday she's stepping down in january after the president's state of the union address. the epa created new standards for air pollution from coal power plants on her watch. >>> massachusetts congressman ed ma markey throwing his hat into the ring for kerry's senate seat. a special election would be held early this summer. markey a 66-year-old democrat is the first promin
cliff showdown. just four days left to get this deal done or massive tax hikes and spending cuts will kick in. >>> the u.s. embassy clearing out of an african nation this morning. deteriorating security in the central african republic has forced the u.s. state department to temporarily suspend operations. there the u.s. ambassador, his diplomatic team and some private american citizens are out of the capital. the country's president has asked france and the united states for help to...
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remember this, if you haven't been following the fiscal cliff, take note. even if a deal gets done, taxes go up for many high income and likely big spending families. there is an economic impact either way. it is just perhaps the veseveri under question. >> when we talk about is the marginal propensity to consume. what does that mean? for every dollar that you either have or don't have, how much of that will you spend or not spend? the thinking is as we raise taxes on wealthier people, that margin propensity goes down. in other words, they don't spend every dollar they have, they save a bit of it, because they have more of it. the economic point of view is to get rid the tax hikes on middle class. it goes down the the higher up you go it goes down further. you are right to say that in general, economists in 2013, brian, are looking for fiscal contraction. the federal government will be a drag on growth. no matter what happens, taxes go up on some folks then spending cuts in the budget control act and so far as you notice, brian, they haven't said anything a
remember this, if you haven't been following the fiscal cliff, take note. even if a deal gets done, taxes go up for many high income and likely big spending families. there is an economic impact either way. it is just perhaps the veseveri under question. >> when we talk about is the marginal propensity to consume. what does that mean? for every dollar that you either have or don't have, how much of that will you spend or not spend? the thinking is as we raise taxes on wealthier people,...
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people have said that economists said concern about the fiscal cliff has already done damage. the economy, according to the cob is certain to fall back into recession and negative growth in the new year. is that higher taxes in a way a death knell for the economy or whole picture, of increased taxes and increased spending and no meaningful deficit reduction? >> we're seeing some effect already. you're seeing that in numbers on consumer confidence, on christmas season spending and business investment in hiring. the higher tacks is not the end of the republic. it is bad for growth. but we can still have a strong economy. but i do think we need to deal with uncertainty of what are taxes going forward. this cliff deal is short-term deal. we need leadership congressman was talking about. i wish it was there i agree with him what we really need going forward. lori: congressman rigell, one last comment from you with regards to confidence in washington of the americans are fed up with the wheeling and dealing in washington and no compromise. is there anything you can say to reinforce
people have said that economists said concern about the fiscal cliff has already done damage. the economy, according to the cob is certain to fall back into recession and negative growth in the new year. is that higher taxes in a way a death knell for the economy or whole picture, of increased taxes and increased spending and no meaningful deficit reduction? >> we're seeing some effect already. you're seeing that in numbers on consumer confidence, on christmas season spending and business...
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number one, they're done with fiscal cliff. >> yeah. >> and also kicking the can down the road. but to your point, that is exactly what's going to happen, and whatever comes out of this deal and whenever the vote happens, this is really barely the start. >> reporter: correct. and i think that folks really need to brace themselves for what's going to be a very contentious next three to four months here on capitol hill. we had an election a few months ago, as you well know, chris. you covered it so much on top of the ball, and a lot of folks thought, okay, that election was going to answer a lot of questions. the president won, he won by 4 million votes. that is sort of the idea where the country is moving. when we do stories, we do those men on the street, and everyone sort of post-election has had this idea of it's time for shared sacrifice. we understand there's going to be some tough decisions made. we're going to have to give. that message has not resonated too much with house republicans specifically here in washington, d.c. they're negotiating very hard until the end becaus
number one, they're done with fiscal cliff. >> yeah. >> and also kicking the can down the road. but to your point, that is exactly what's going to happen, and whatever comes out of this deal and whenever the vote happens, this is really barely the start. >> reporter: correct. and i think that folks really need to brace themselves for what's going to be a very contentious next three to four months here on capitol hill. we had an election a few months ago, as you well know,...
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rich edson on capitol hill as we await the ball drop and the fiscal cliff to hit. rich: we have just gotten a back of the envelope, unofficial congressional budget office.
rich edson on capitol hill as we await the ball drop and the fiscal cliff to hit. rich: we have just gotten a back of the envelope, unofficial congressional budget office.
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the weeks before the election, everybody talked about the fiscal cliff, and until they really put this deal together fully and for the long term, it's the same thing going out into the next year. ashley: it's interesting. what if nothing is done? what reaction do you expect there, bobby? >> if nothing's done, i think we'll have the reaction like we have now. i don't know if they'll be able to have an announcement before sttcks close at four o'clock, but everybody is sitting with hands tied behind the back for any news. ashley: dan at the cme. dan, i want to talk gold. it's interesting, gold down eight or nine bucks on the day, and you think it's a safe haven play, but is it the profit takers trying to get ahead of higher tax rates to pay? >> it's possible, but i believe people think there's no grand bargain here. if they come to grips with a plan, the plan they talked about is tax rates. obviously, that's good, a nice headline, but that doesn't stop the sequestering io themes in play. if they are in play, that's deflationary, and that's why commodities are challenged lately. unless the
the weeks before the election, everybody talked about the fiscal cliff, and until they really put this deal together fully and for the long term, it's the same thing going out into the next year. ashley: it's interesting. what if nothing is done? what reaction do you expect there, bobby? >> if nothing's done, i think we'll have the reaction like we have now. i don't know if they'll be able to have an announcement before sttcks close at four o'clock, but everybody is sitting with hands...
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people with this term fiscal cliff? >> right. to really get the deal done right you need about 4 troll trillion to get us back on track. that means pro-growth tax reform, entitlement reform and better control of savings of the proposals at this point are not at that level. they're more $2.5 trillion range. we're very anxious to see what the president will put forward in terms of savings and reform. adam: in roughly four days can all of you in washington get this deal done? or is it going to be some kind of a patch with some kind of delay and than we'll deal with the new congress deals with it? >> well, adam i think you're kind of on it there. it would be great if we can get it done. if not let's at least get the framework to set it up and finish it off right away. either way we have to get a deal done before congress gets adjourned or get a deal done in the new congress. there is enough proposals put forward. get the deal we need to get things on track. adam: we should point out i think senator scott brown out of massac
people with this term fiscal cliff? >> right. to really get the deal done right you need about 4 troll trillion to get us back on track. that means pro-growth tax reform, entitlement reform and better control of savings of the proposals at this point are not at that level. they're more $2.5 trillion range. we're very anxious to see what the president will put forward in terms of savings and reform. adam: in roughly four days can all of you in washington get this deal done? or is it going...
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in order to avert the fiscal cliff and particularly sequestration an in august they pass a tax bill. the senate on bu the bills, nothing. the same said he could not give us a subject. gerri: what to bring this up. the president at a press conference really sort of insulting republicans, hoping to come to agreement. listen to the president. >> my preference woul have been to solve all these problems in the context of a larger agreement, a bgger deal, a grand bargain, whenever you want to call it. with this congress, that was obviously a little too much to hope for at this time. maybe we can do it in stages. we're going to solve this problem instead in several steps . gerri: he could have been a little more conciliatory. >> i guess what i would say is, i would agree with him. i wish we did have a grand bargain. even brad he just will the when the democrats said we needed a grand bargain. certainly paul ryan and i don't know if you remember, he voted against it. plenty of blame to go around. add up think it makes sense to go after just the president. i think this is a failure of our lea
in order to avert the fiscal cliff and particularly sequestration an in august they pass a tax bill. the senate on bu the bills, nothing. the same said he could not give us a subject. gerri: what to bring this up. the president at a press conference really sort of insulting republicans, hoping to come to agreement. listen to the president. >> my preference woul have been to solve all these problems in the context of a larger agreement, a bgger deal, a grand bargain, whenever you want to...
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>> they're looking for a deal to be done that averts the worst effects of the fiscal cliff. always remembering that there will be some form of spending cuts and tax rises in the united states. but nothing like the grinding austerity that would be imposed on the u.s., and by definition and extension, the rest of the world, if the u.s. goes over the cliff. put it in context. this year the eurozone is in recession. next year recessions likely, growth just about possible. in that scenario for the largest trading partner to have a fiscal retrencherant, a slowdown of the magnitude of the cliff, ali, is pretty dramatic and drastic for everybody else watching. >> richard, there's a chance there could be a boomerang effect. the united states may grow, let's say 3% for argument's sake in 2013. that is going to be healthier than europe by a long shot, and we're seeing slowing in a lot of other major economies, including china, india, brazil. is there some sense that, just like the u.s. set off all of this nonsense back in 2008, a u.s. retrenchment, as you call it, a slowdown in growth
>> they're looking for a deal to be done that averts the worst effects of the fiscal cliff. always remembering that there will be some form of spending cuts and tax rises in the united states. but nothing like the grinding austerity that would be imposed on the u.s., and by definition and extension, the rest of the world, if the u.s. goes over the cliff. put it in context. this year the eurozone is in recession. next year recessions likely, growth just about possible. in that scenario for...
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this fiscal cliff san important element in economic recovery. i hope we can get it done. >> i think everybody out there agrees that they hope you get this done, a lot of frustration out there as you can imagine, i'm sure you hear it as well. thank you. thank you for joining us. i appreciate it. back to you. >> dana bash, as always, appreciate that insight. >>> if the government does go over the fiscal cliff, you know what the rest of the world is going to feel it as well. we will tell you how and where, coming up. ♪ if loving you is wrong ♪ i don't wanna be right [ record scratch ] what?! it's not bad for you. it just tastes that way. [ female announcer ] honey nut cheerios cereal -- heart-healthy, whole grain oats. you can't go wrong loving it. >>> all day i we have been following developments on the fiscal cliff talks. right now, senate leaders at an impasse over tax hikes and they are running out of time n just two days, those massive tax hikes and spending cuts will kick n so, let's go now to jessica yellin in washington. jessica has bee
this fiscal cliff san important element in economic recovery. i hope we can get it done. >> i think everybody out there agrees that they hope you get this done, a lot of frustration out there as you can imagine, i'm sure you hear it as well. thank you. thank you for joining us. i appreciate it. back to you. >> dana bash, as always, appreciate that insight. >>> if the government does go over the fiscal cliff, you know what the rest of the world is going to feel it as well....